Wednesday, July 28, 2004

This is not Fascism

There is still people on the far Left equating Bush with Fascism. Especially now with the elections coming up. This "misconception" seems to be widespread amongst stoppers, wishy-washy liberals, Michael Moore Conservatives and parts of the US Democrats.

You may not approve of many of George W. Bush's political views (I know I don't). You may find supporting the death penalty, lobbying against gay marriage and not endorsing the Kyoto Treaty abhorrent (I know I do). However, this is not Fascism. Nor does it make George W. Bush a Fascist. In fact, he is a democratically elected president who will be, and has been, scrutinized by the Senate and the Congress, due to the United States wonderful checks and balances system. He is responsible to the people of the United States and has to answer to them.

Let me point to a few differences between the current President of the United States and Fascists. Here the term Fascist will include all those who in recent times have persued a Fascist path -- be it Islamo-Fascist or Baathist.

President Bush does not persecute or murder American citizens because they don't share his political or religious views -- Saddam did.

President Bush does not cut out the tongues of dissenting journalists. Saddam did.

President Bush does not murder children's parents, because they have voiced their dissent. Saddam did.

President Bush does not demand every American citizen to obey the "divine law" or face imprisonment, torture or death. Islamo-Fascists do.

President Bush, although not supportive of gay marriage, does not prescribe the stoning of homosexuals. Islamo-Fascists do.

President Bush does not have state-endorsed rape-rooms. Saddam did.

Now, in my view, it would be far better if the anti-war Left realized what the real Fascism of today is: Islamo-Fascism. That is, the persuit of a theocratic dictatorship based on power, submission, violence, perverted religion, the hatred and persecution of religious, ethnical and sexual minorities and a total disregard for human life.

George W. Bush may be conservative on many issues. Perhaps even concidered a reactionary by some. That still doesn't make him a Fascist.

The anti-war Left had better get their priorities right. The unholy alliance and motley crew of the culture relative and conservative far Left, and the reactionary and intolerant islamists that is currently emerging in, for example, the UK is alarming.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is an urgent need for a democratic, liberal and antitotalitarian Left. We need to carry on the tradition of antitotalitarian ideals that once were common to many democratically-minded people on the Left.


At August 2, 2004 at 7:37 PM, Blogger Francois Brutsch said...

I agree entirely, but I feel depressingly isolated in the Swiss social-democratic party (it's better in the UK thanks to Tony Blair but I wouldn't bet the core of the Labour Party is supporting wholeheartedly the issue). And of course there are the Germans, the French, the Spanish... Are you yourself a member of the Swedish social-democratic party?

At August 2, 2004 at 7:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only point I will debate is the Kyoto Treaty. Man-made global-warming is a myth supported by theories based on junk science. We might possibly be doing greater damage to humanity by continuing to believe that man-made global warming is destroying mankind and tha planet we inhabit. I am also against banning DDT which has caused more death and distruction to humanity over the past fourty years than the theories presented in the book "Silent Spring" written four decades ago by a junk scientist.

That said, I completely agree with your original premise. Specifically, Americans are at war against Islamo-Fascism, not with each other.

I do find it disturbing that the film/television industry in hollywood and the publishing industry in New York have produced several movies and hundreds of books, releasing one after the other over the past six months, which have all projected the image in one way or other, that President Bush and Republicans in general, are Fascists That Bush is a liar and Bush is the enemy.
Why did HBO have a character in Six Feet Under states that Bush lies? Why were Joseph Wilson's and Richard Clarke's books heavily promoted when their facts were clearly wrong? What happened to those famous "16 words" we heard all throughout 2003? These are just two out of thousands of examples of what I find disturbing these days.


At August 2, 2004 at 10:39 PM, Blogger John Moreschi said...

It is really good to see a liberal trying to take the lead away from the Bush-is-a-fascist radicals who seem to flood the zone with their paranoia and hatred. I used to be a Dem but long ago gave up on them. If your wing can gain real traction in the Dem Party I would feel much more safe in this country again.

At August 3, 2004 at 12:09 PM, Blogger Frederick said...


Thanks for your support. I agree with you that it is mostly due to Tony Blair and his closest circle that UK Labour politics is what it is.

No, I am not a member of the Swedish Social Democratic Party. I am not a fan of their foreign policy, which in my eyes is too weak. There is also a strain of Anti-americanism amongst the Swedish Soc. Dem. Party, even if it's got slightly better over time.

However, since the Soc. Dem.'s have held the majority in Sweden for six decades or so, they have become ingranded and corrupted by power. So, I'm kind of on my own here -- independent centre-left, if you like.

However, things seem to happening around the world. The blogosphere seems to be a good breeding-ground for people on the antitotalitarian Left: An Antitotalitarian International of Blogs.

Where there's people on the same wavelength, new thoughts will be born. So, hopefully something positiv is happening right now.

At August 3, 2004 at 12:13 PM, Blogger Frederick said...


Thanks for your kind words. You write: "If your wing can gain real traction in the Dem Party I would feel much more safe in this country again."

Yes, I too think this would be a good thing. However, as I am a Swedish citizen living in Sweden, there's slim chance of that happening :)

At August 3, 2004 at 5:17 PM, Blogger Patton said...


I was going to post something like "excellent thoughts, almost all of which I find agreeable, except for that Kyoto silliness", but Susan beat me to it. My objection to it, in addition to the junk-science slant she mentioned, is that it would amount to some degree of economic suicide for the US, and the US doesn't owe that to anyone, developing world or not.

I'm one of those Michael Totten referrals, and I look forward to future readings of your site.

At August 3, 2004 at 9:34 PM, Blogger Frederick said...

Mike, Susan,

OK, so we don't agree on the Kyoto Treaty. However, I wouldn't call global warming "silliness".

But we seem to share the same view on other issues. So let's leave it at that, shall we?

At July 8, 2005 at 2:54 AM, Blogger Red October said...

Good points, but the comparisons you made in refernce to Hussein are not really on the mark. for instance, while is is true that W does not have so-called 'rape rooms' and Hussein did, that does not in and of itself make Hussein a Fascist, either. Nor does the cutting out of tongues, etc. These are simply means to an end which can be employed by anyone, not just Fascists. The methods used at Abu Ghraib and/or Gitmo could be used by anyone- including Fascists- but that does not make W a Fascist, either. Fascism isn't necessarily about being oppressive and/or cruel just for the sake of cruelty. Remember, Iraq under Hussein's rule was the MOST moderate of all the Middle East nations, including Israel (who, by the way, is using- yipes!- 'Fascist' tactics against the Palestinians...but who has ever accused them of benig Fascists in print in any major publication?)
You point is well taken, and I appreciate the effort you put into it, but I have to disagree with your examples at times.

At December 20, 2005 at 5:33 PM, Blogger Aloysha said...

So Mussolini is not a fascist?
You might want to find out
what fascism is, before you
explain what it is not.


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